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Here a list of the Wrecks and Relics in and around Kharkiv as in EMOOS 2011.
Ukraine is full with Wrecks and relics and in the new European Military Out of Service 2011 book (by Otger vd Kooij and Andy Marden) the Ukraine chapter is 39 pages !!! If you are intersted in "MiG's on Poles", don't go without this book. Another tip: Don't bring your own new car to Ukraine. The roads are still very bad.

Kharkiv, Kharkiv Oblast N49.96262, E36.18729
The Technical School of the Air Force University has a large number of aircraft. The area is known as Sosnoviy Bor (Pinewoods) or Kholodna Gora (Cold Mountain).
530550 16 yellow Aero L-39C Sep09 Jul11
332619 50 yellow Aero L-39C Aug10 Jul11
(2960515104) 22 blue Mikoyan MiG-29 (-A) Aug06 Jul11
543636074 20 yellow Mil Mi-2 Sep09 Jul11
547722072 46 yellow Mil Mi-2 Sep09 Jul11
47 yellow Mil Mi-8MT Sep09 Jul11
85 yellow Mil Mi-24K Aug06 Jul11
04 white Sukhoi Su-24M Aug06 Jul11
05015 03 blue Sukhoi Su-25 Sep09 Jul11
36911013812 24 yellow Sukhoi Su-27 Aug06 Jul11

On the other side of the road is the National University of Civil Defence.The Mi-8 is not visible. N49.96162, E36.19049
8010 83 blue Antonov An-26 Sep10 Jul11
Mil Mi-8 Sep09

A MiG-21 is plinth-mounted vertically at the Air Force University building in the NW of the city. N50.02722, E36.20791
135 red Mikoyan MiG-21PF Sep96 Jul11
MiG-29 28 blue which can be seen on Google Earth went to Luhansk in Jan11. An L-39 is kept inside one of the university buildings. It may not be at this location.
430305 24 blue Aero L-39C Nov10

A MiG-19 is plinth-mounted at Vocational School No.32 at ul. Sportyvna 9 in the east of the city. N49.99455, E36.31243
Mikoyan MiG-19S Sep09 Jul11

About 1 km SW of the main station on ul. Volodarskogo is a plinth-mounted MiG-21. N49.97863, E36.20020
24 red Mikoyan MiG-21PF Mar06 Jul11

Some 15 km SE of the city is the site of the former Kharkiv Higher Military Aviation School (HVVAUL), with a MiG-21 plinth-mounted at the entrance. It has a very faded bort number. N49.92287, E36.42749 01 blue Mikoyan MiG-21PF Jun99 Jul11
Other aircraft used to be preserved nearby with the HVVAUL museum (all May02) but all went to Luhansk by Sep09. They were an L-29, L-39C, MiG-15, MiG-17, MiG-19, 2 x MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-29, Su-7.
A MiG-21SM may still be present. See: <http://www.aviamonuments.ru/planes/Ukraina/Harkov/7>.
193 yell Mikoyan MiG-21SM Jul08

Kharkiv/Korotych, Kharkiv Oblast (UKHJ) N49.97008, E36.01113
Preserved at this GA field are:
150SL01 127 red Mikoyan MiG-21SM Jul08 Jul11
0708 55 red Mikoyan MiG-23 (type 23-11) (1308 on pylon) Jul08 Jul11
61912512121 83 red Mikoyan MiG-27D Sep08 Jul11
01 yellow Mil Mi-1 Sep96 Jul11
546306099 27 yellow Mil Mi-2 Sep09 Jul11
9765205 24 yellow Mil Mi-8TB Sep09 Jul11
6302 10 blue Sukhoi Su-17M Jul08 Jul11

The vast majority of based aircraft are ex military. There is a second (operational) Mi-2 UR-BYO, which is not ex mil.
(893215) Aero L-29 blue c/s LA-0819 Sep07 Jul11
(094047) (14 blue) Aero L-29 LA-0846 Aug07 Aug10
295173 (100) Aero L-29 blue c/s LA-0929 Sep09 Jul11
Aero L-39C white, red/blue trim LA-0910 Sep08 Jul11
(1G52-05) Antonov An-2 camo c/s UR-BWL derelict Jun99 Jul11
1G195-52 Antonov An-2 TATNEFT titles UR-BAO Jun99 Jul11
1G237-16 (02) Antonov An-2 camo/blue c/s UR-BAP Jun99 Jul11
(1G238-01) Antonov An-2 white/blue c/s UR-BEY Sep09 Jul11
50 yellow Antonov An-2 camo c/s UR-BJR fuselage Jul11
Antonov An-2 white/blue/yellow c/s (UR-)BJQ fuselage Mar11 Jul11
546326099 Mil Mi-2 green c/s UR-BYO stored Aug07 Jul11
546327099 Mil Mi-2 white/blue c/s UR-FIL Aug07 Apr10
(546339109) Mil Mi-2 green/white/red c/s UR-BYP stored Aug07 Jul11
547938122 Mil Mi-2 green c/s UR-14309 stored Aug07 Jul11
(548242073) Mil Mi-2 blue/white c/s UR-BYQ stored Sep09 Jul11
548246073 Mil Mi-2 dark blue, yellow stripe UR-14323 (ex Cherkasy) Jul11
548247073 Mil Mi-2 green c/s, cropsprayer UR-BYR Jul11
548316083 (06 yell) Mil Mi-2 blue/white c/s UR-ZOR (ex UR-BJT) Mar08 Jul11
(548320083) Mil Mi-2 green/white/red c/s UR-BYT (canx Aug08) Sep09 Jul11
549513115 18 yellow Mil Mi-2 red/white c/s UR-BAG derelict Sep09 Jul11
17820679 29 black PZL Wilga LA-3003, ex LA-0243 Jul08 Jul11
Yakovlev Yak-18T (ex Kramatorsk) LA-0356 Jul11
(22202047243) Yakovlev Yak-18T red, white/blue trim UR-FAZA (Liman Aug11) Aug10 Jul11
Yakovlev Yak-18T red/white c/s UR-KWBY Sep09 Jul11
867013 Yakovlev Yak-52 Jul11
867115 (39 black) Yakovlev Yak-52 DOSAAF c/s LA-0936 Sep09 Jul11
(888612) 54 yellow Yakovlev Yak-52 UR-BCY Sep09 Aug10
Yakovlev Yak-52 UR-KLYB Jul11
(8910209) Yakovlev Yak-52 (ex Kramatorsk) UR-VIRA Jul11
The plate on the rudder post of LA-0936 indicates that it is c/n 800809!

A compound at the western end of the airfield contains seven Mi-2s. One is UR-23270 (not ex mil).
546023029 Mil Mi-2 UR-14335 Jul08 Jul11
546325099 08 yellow Mil Mi-2 UR-BAM Jun99 Jul11
548211063 05 yellow Mil Mi-2 UR-BAK Jun99 Jul11
548629044 07 yellow Mil Mi-2 UR-BAI Jun99 Jul11
548630044 06 yellow Mil Mi-2 UR-BAJ Jun99 Jul11
549507115 Mil Mi-2 red/white c/s UR-BYS (canx Aug08) Sep09 Jul11

Kharkiv North/Sokolnyky, Kharkiv Oblast (UKHV) N50.01983, E36.26748
This is the home of the Kharkiv State Aircraft Manufacturing Company. Currently KSAMC manufactures An-74 and An-140 aircraft. Some aircraft which were mass-produced here, including a civil Tu-124 and Tu-134, are preserved on the western side of the airfield. Some are visible from the above co-ordinates.
01 blue Mikoyan MiG-15UTI Sep96 Sep10
8350704 47 red Tupolev Tu-104A Sep96 Jul11
75 yellow Yakovlev Yak-18A Sep96 Aug10

The Kharkiv Aviation Institute (KhAI) is just to the north on ul. Chkalova. N50.04189, E36.28529
Preserved in the grounds are:
54211091 40 red Mikoyan MiG-17 May08 Jul11
50 blue Mikoyan MiG-19PM Jun05 Sep09
03 red Sukhoi Su-7B (was 03 white) Feb09 Sep09

Instructional airframes outside include:
0503 02 wh o/l Mikoyan MiG-23 (type 23-11) Sep05 Oct10
1407 Mikoyan MiG-23 (type 23-11) Sep05 Oct10
6417 15 wh o/l Mikoyan MiG-23M Sep09 Oct10
1014 68 red Mikoyan MiG-23S Sep05 Sep09
3532461607052 34 black Mil Mi-24D Sep09 Oct10
For sale by Aug08 were 1 Mi-24D, 2 MiG-23, 1 MiG-23M and 1 MiG-23S, presumably the above aircraft.

Inside are:
22-05 blk Kamov Ka-252 (Ka-27 prototype) Mar10 Oct10
134 red Mikoyan MiG-15 sectioned front fuselage Sep10
Mikoyan MiG-19 sectioned Sep10
72210604 25 red Mikoyan MiG-21F May07
Mikoyan MiG-21SMT sectioned Sep10
0913 14 wh o/l Mikoyan MiG-23S building K-2 Jan09 Oct10
504044 03 yellow Mil Mi-1 DOSAAF mks Mar10 Sep10
0405 Yakovlev Yak-25 May07 May08
Yakovlev Yak-38 front fuselage Sep10

Kharkiv/Osnova, Kharkiv Oblast (UKHH) N49.92858, E36.27827
The Ukraine State Border Guard Service has a helicopter detachment on the north side of the main Kharkiv civil airport. Stored on their ramp is a rotorless Mi-8.
99150873 02 blue Mil Mi-8T Aug10 Jul11
03 blue Mil Mi-8T n/n Jul11 Aug09 Sep09

Derhachi, Kharkiv Oblast N50.10928, E36.11990
A MiG-21, with a fake code, is preserved in front of Gymnasium No.3 along Route T21-03.
76210822 111 red Mikoyan MiG-21PF ex 115 red Apr09 Jul11

Podvirky, Kharkiv Oblast N49.98478, E36.08676
Podvirky is just west of Kharkiv. Two aircraft sit in a military area.
Mikoyan MiG-23 Sep05 Sep09
Mil Mi-8 Sep05 Sep09
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Re: EK 2012 Oranjes speelstad Kharkiv & spotten....

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K2G wrote: Another tip: Don't bring your own new car to Ukraine. The roads are still very bad.
To be fair, I was driving in the Ukraine 2-3 years ago (Lviv-Chisinau(Moldova)-Odessa) and the Ukrainian main roads are quite good, never found many potholes. The Moldovan roads on the other hand.....
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SpotterNL wrote:
K2G wrote: Another tip: Don't bring your own new car to Ukraine. The roads are still very bad.
To be fair, I was driving in the Ukraine 2-3 years ago (Lviv-Chisinau(Moldova)-Odessa) and the Ukrainian main roads are quite good, never found many potholes. The Moldovan roads on the other hand.....
Yes the main roads are OK nowadays (when I compare the situation with my first visit in 1997). But many W&R's are off the main roads and some of these "roads" are really bad. Be aware of the traffic police (DAI), not that many and corrupt as in 1997, but still active. To find good and cheap hotels nowadays is no problem at all. With some common sense, spotting in Ukraine should be no problem. And there are many nice aircraft here................

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Guys, why English?

Dit is het Praathuys hoor, het mag hier gewoon in het Nederlands.... Al die rare andere spotters kunnen gewoon hun eigen topicje starten in de Tattle Lounge.... En daar is het wel in het Engels.... ;)
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En?? Al iemand die naast het voetbal vlieg/vloogtuigjes is gaan spotten?

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Re: EK 2012 Oranjes speelstad Kharkiv & spotten....

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Op 14 juni zag ik op Kharkiv main Airport een UKR.AF MIL17 (of MIL8MT) van het Ministry of Emergency Situations, het was 23 yellow gecodeerd .op de terugweg heb ik hem zelfs randje randje geplaat vanuit de bus.

Zal m later uploaden
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