The 'black' USAF C-32Bs

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Re: The 'black' USAF C-32Bs

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Freedar.uk showed the correct id 02-5001 (ADS-B: 99-4163) :wink:
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Gerard wrote:Freedar.uk showed the correct id 02-5001 (ADS-B: 99-4163) :wink:
With these airframes, the words "correct id" take on a completely new meaning... :roll:
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At ADSBexchange the hexcode-tieups changed from correct to wrong some time ago. AE0433 has always been 02-5001 and AE0446 has always been 99-6143 in real life. I have posted it on their forum but it has not been changed so far.
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99-6143 flew from Eglin to Alaska and back as REACH 583 today,so was not that one.
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AE0433 /02-5001 showing ETAR to CONUS again (now above Belgium)
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Melchior Timmers wrote:AE0433 /02-5001 showing ETAR to CONUS again (now above Belgium)
Inb Mildenhall. Was just up trying to contact Mildenhall CP on both 313.550 and 300.800 (and atc wise 125.005 -> 132.205 -> 1281.60 -> 135.425, Idesi-Lapra and in the descent)
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Melchior Timmers wrote:AE0433 /02-5001 showing ETAR to CONUS again (now above Belgium)
09001 given serial at FC. Readed of on landing at Mildenhall.

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There's something going wrong here. AE0443/ 09001 flew Ramstein Mildenhall this morning, not AE0433. AE0433/ 25001 flew Ramstein Conus yesterday.
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n5205e00421 wrote:At ADSBexchange the hexcode-tieups changed from correct to wrong some time ago. AE0433 has always been 02-5001 and AE0446 has always been 99-6143 in real life. I have posted it on their forum but it has not been changed so far.
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Ah, thanks. Then they were wrong in my database as well.
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Re: The 'black' USAF C-32Bs

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At least the hexcodes seemed to always have been consistent with the same serials:

AE0433 = (0)2-5001
AE0438 = (9)8-6006 (last picked up 8/5/2018)
AE0443 = (0)0-9001
AE0446 = (9)9-6143
AE0449 = (0)2-4452

Having both 433 and 443 doesn't help here. ADSBexchange had them all right before, now AE0433 shows 99-6143 and AE0446 is unknown.

By changing hexcodes and dates in the URL you can see a hexcode's flights of one day:

As mentioned before AE0443 / (0)0-9001 flew back 01/08 via Mildenhall:
https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com/?icao= ... 2020-08-01

And indeed AE0433 / (0)2-5001 flew back to the USA on 31/07:
https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com/?icao= ... 2020-07-31
Clicking back some days shows a gap until 25/07 where it was still in the USA btw.

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AK01 wrote:There's something going wrong here. AE0443/ 09001 flew Ramstein Mildenhall this morning, not AE0433. AE0433/ 25001 flew Ramstein Conus yesterday.
But not with te correct serial on adsb. Adsb showed 99-6143
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Rabbit wrote:But not with te correct serial on adsb. Adsb showed 99-6143
An aircraft does not transmit its serial/registration on Mode-S/ADS-B, only its hexcode. It is up to a receiver or website to show the correct serial for that hexcode. ADSB-exchange had it wrong in its database here. E.g. Planefinder just showed 99-6143 correctly for hexcode AE0446..

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So how many of these are flying around actually??
According to Scramble DB there are five different serials:
98-6006
99-6143
00-9001
02-4452
02-5001
and only two different c/n’s:
25493/523
25494/611

We all know they have been changing serials a lot in the past.
But if I read the posts above correctly:
00-9001 and 02-5001 were noted at Ramstein yesterday and that same moment 99-6143 was noted flying over the US.

That makes three... so again my question how many of these birds are flying around. Or maybe we will never know.

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The theory still fits with four frames, the fourth being 02-4452 that flew Ramstein-STR-USA on 27/7 followed by local training at McGuire.

Short version:

McGuire-based:
00-9001 c/n 25494
02-4452 c/n 25493 Reported as temporarily regd 98-6006 before 2002. No pics online though.

Eglin-based:
N226G c/n 25491, 13+17(L) windows, big scuff plates below doors
N610G c/n 29304, 12+19(L) windows, small scuff plates below doors
These two frames have both used serials 99-6143 and 02-5001 interchangably on militairy missions until 2013.
Thereafter 99-6143 was always N226G, re-used serial 98-6006 was always N610G, and 02-5001 was still used on both frames.
As of may 2018 98-6006 disappeared, 99-6143 was always N226G, and 02-5001 was always N610G.
See previous page for external differences.
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Re: The 'black' USAF C-32Bs

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Radar box from airnav showed it correctly as well yesterday AE0446 for 99-6143.
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