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Scramble messageboard, or menu of a Thai restaurant

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Something that’s on my mind for a longer time, and is annoying me.

When I look at the latest posts, or active topics, I often wonder if I am looking at scramble, or at the menu of my local Thai restaurant.
What’s the use of posting sbs logs of every airport in the Thai, Laos jungle? In my humble opinion, it’s just spamming the messageboard with info almost no-one is interested in. Or is it just me that’s annoyed by this spamming?
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I totally agree.

It’s mentioned before in this topic: https://www.scramble.nl/community/messa ... 9?start=15
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I think your opinion (to which you are entitled of course) is somewhat biased. I agree that from a Dutch/European point of view, this information is hardly interesting. However, this is the World Wide Web, remember? And Scramble and its messageboard have a wider audience (and ambition) than just Western Europe. Therefore, the information posted may be interesting or useful to someone out there. Just as information on Dutch movements might not be useful or interesting to someone in, say, Thailand.. Just as information on US or Canadian stuff might interest you, even if that also is at the (other) end of the world seen from Western Europe.

I don't mind that information, I am perfectly capable of picking up the things I'm interested in and leaving the things I'm not interested in for others.

And, as an afterthought, my Thai restaurant has a completely different menu from the one that you suggest here, so that is not the nicest of comparisons (in my opinion, to which I am entitled).
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Most annoying is that it is almost never mentioned that those are ADSB logs and not real logs; I already reported those post but the administrators say "they can't do anything about it". But indeed, working through a list of places where no one with a camera or logbook is welcome before finding relevant information is a pain in the @ss....
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Personal take: I'm not interested in such info either and just scroll past those topics. The titles are all neatly standardised (which isn't always the case elsewhere!) and I don't feel it is such a burden to scroll two or three pages down until I get to the last topic I previously read. It actually surprises me that fellow spotters, who are all very well trained in filtering info from text I think, find this such a huge issue.

Thanks to Ron and the other mods for the time spent trying to keep as much people happy as feasible!
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Post by Canberra TT.18 »

There is a lot of info on the Scramble site I'm interested in and a lot I'm not interested in. So I skip the last group.

I agree with Key the messages (from Le Addeur noir) are perfectly titled so I know exactly what is and what is not of interest to me.

I used scramble more than once when I'm abroad to check for info. So totally agree scramble is more than a (western) european site/forum.
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frank kramer wrote: 18 Jun 2021, 10:04 I think your opinion (to which you are entitled of course) is somewhat biased. I agree that from a Dutch/European point of view, this information is hardly interesting. However, this is the World Wide Web, remember? And Scramble and its messageboard have a wider audience (and ambition) than just Western Europe. Therefore, the information posted may be interesting or useful to someone out there. Just as information on Dutch movements might not be useful or interesting to someone in, say, Thailand.. Just as information on US or Canadian stuff might interest you, even if that also is at the (other) end of the world seen from Western Europe.
We try to facilitate as much aviation information as possible as this can inspire others to visit certain places. If you turn this question around it might remain interesting that foreign airfield can produce more movement informations then local, nearby airfields. As Erik correctly refers to; it is up to you to weight if the find the post interesting or not.
JetStar2 wrote: 18 Jun 2021, 10:29 Most annoying is that it is almost never mentioned that those are ADSB logs and not real logs; I already reported those post but the administrators say "they can't do anything about it".
As explained it remains up to the poster to mention if the information comes from eyeball mk1/2's or of this is gathered from other sources/ magic boxes. It is unrealistic to expect admins to check the origins. On a personal note all sightings remain indications untill I have seen them myself (but that's up to everybody for themself to judge).
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Totally agree that this adds nothing. I am however willing to change my opinion if a spotter from s.e. asia reports here that he benefits from these messages.😉
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I personally am not in the least bit partial to Thai food - too sweet / too much MSG for my liking (give me Sushi on a conveyor, in Misawa with lashings of green tea any day) - but at least with Mr Blackadder you know what you're going to get (a C-12 left point A, next post, um, a C-12 arrived at point B) and can easily skip to the "meat" which these days, is not a lot. However, one day, sanity and sanitation will return and for many of you a trip to a not too local base will be possible again. If Mr B didn't fill these pages with his ADSB sightings there might be neither a printed magazine nor a message board. With that in mind, keeping the SE Asian spotters happy by including them hopefully means they will contribute when, we can once again, fly to the land of the rising sun.
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Post by Key »

Well said, Starman, including the sushi part. :bthumb:

I was about to add to my own post, the reason I don't read said logs is me being not even remotely near SE Asia. If I were, I would likely check at least part of them. I too am among those not taking ADSB for granted (i.e. I keep in mind the database coupling the codes to airframes is often not 100% accurate) but I am not discarding that info either. After all, a large part will be correct in most cases and it gives one at least an idea what to expect when able to go somewhere.

Looking at it that way, the 'complaints' merely boil down to someone not posting what someone else would like to see (actually, Comebackkid just confirms so above). I truly hope those opposing to said logs are willing to realise that. There is no arguing over taste, so let's just be glad someone is willing to continuously take the effort to share information - even if it's not everyone's cup of (green) tea.
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I fully agree with many of the relpies above here, like the last two, in my opinion the more info the better. It is up to the reader to filter the for him/her relevant information. As some might have read in another topic, I am really fond of the paper Scramble magazine. But also there I skip certain parts (inclusing logs) I am not interested in. It's all a matter of personal taste AND opportunities. When I wil be able to travel to SE Asia again, I will definately be interested in some of those logs for a short while. And after that I will ignore them again....

However I also do agree with the remark about not mentioning the source of the info, if that comes from ADSB or something similar that should be mentioned in my opinion. This makes the reported actual serial less reliable as we all know (or should know), which should make the source compulsory information.
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patrick dirksen wrote: 18 Jun 2021, 17:18 However I also do agree with the remark about not mentioning the source of the info, if that comes from ADSB or something similar that should be mentioned in my opinion. This makes the reported actual serial less reliable as we all know (or should know), which should make the source compulsory information.
In the last posts the poster in question already mentioned the source. :toppie:

And one can probably think for themselves, that if someone post from dozens of airfields around the world within 24 hours this won't be all self noticed with the eyeball one.

But yes mentioning sources is very welcome and appreciated .
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Ah, I already was wondering how this black admirer was traveling on a daily base between Rota and Thailand....
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I tried to scanning the active topics, just to see what is happening, a few minutes ago. What a nightmare.
This message board is hijacked by these Thai 'reports'.
How long will admin allow this?

Should we report daily glider movements at all airfields in western Australia?
Or make topics for every general aviation airfield in the US and report every Ce172 flight?

I am sure admin can see how many times these post are actually read and by who.
My guess: not many times and by very very few. How complicated is it to make a separate corner of board for this?
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I wonder if there are Thai spotters on this forum🧐
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