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Gripen of F-35?

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Gripen NG Fighters for The Netherlands
Following the submission of its proposals in response to the Dutch MoD’s F-16 Replacement programme, the Saab/Gripen team held a press conference in Den Haag to outline its proposals.


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2008-09-01 | The Saab proposal is a comprehensive response to the Royal Netherlands Air Force (RNLAF) F-16 fighter replacement Questionnaire.

Saab is offering an all-inclusive package comprising eighty-five (85) fully compliant NATO interoperable Gripen Next Generation (NG) true multi-role fighter aircraft with unrivalled availablilty, tailored for the future Net Centric (NCW) operational environment. Gripen NG will meet the demanding operational requirements of the RNLAF over the next 50 years and its unrivalled multi-role capability will provide the RNLAF with tactical flexibility in an unknown future.

Gripen NG offers operational dominance and flexibility with outstanding mission survivability. Air-to-air superiority is guaranteed with METEOR, AMRAAM, IRIS-T, AIM-9X, 12 missile capability, supercruise and Gripen NG’s superior situation awareness is delivered through an AESA radar, IRST, HMD, leading edge avionics design, next generation data processing and a state-of-the-art cockpit. These features, coupled with Gripen NG’s inherent Net Centric Capabilities including advanced data communications, dual datalinks, satellite comms and video links, coupled with increased range and thrust from its General Electric F414G Turbofan engine.

Saab is also offering a support solution that includes optimized key functions such as maintenance, training, supply and clearly defined support resources. The package includes Role Equipment for 85 aircraft including aircrew equipment, helmet-mounted displays, fuel drop tanks, pylons, EW systems, IRST systems and chaff and flare dispensers. In addition, the package includes mission support equipment, including mission planning and evaluation systems, digital map generating systems, threat library support systems, radio frequency planning systems and maintenance ground support system.

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Gripen for Netherlands Campaign Leader Magnus-Lewis-Olsson (left) with Gripen International Sales & Marketing Director Bob Kemp' Photographer: Saab

The training and logistics element includes mission simulators, desktop and computer-based training systems, pilot and ground crew training as well as ground support equipment, spares, publications and aircrew and ground crew support.

The Gripen NG solution meets the operational requirements of the RNLAF, delivers true multi-role capability and state-of-the-art technology. Owing to its outstanding reliability, maintainability and supportability Gripen will deliver at the most affordable acquisition and operational costs, compared to the known or predicted costs of alternative platforms. Gripen’s credible and fixed acquisition cost is based upon firm orders and known programme timescales. For the Netherlands, this would imply significant cost savings over 40+ years operation in comparison to alternative platforms. With experience from over 100,000 flight hours, current Gripen users have proven the unbeatable Life Cycle Costs of Gripen, which will be further improved in Gripen NG.

Gripen industrial co-operation has a proven track record around the world. Saab AB has a successful track record from more than 20 countries and has always succeeded in fulfilling industrial co-operation commitments, as proven in for example the Netherlands, Denmark, Hungary, Czech Republic, South Africa and Norway. In the Netherlands, Saab has co-operated with over 90 Dutch companies directly, or through industrial networks, with an offset delivery of 181 MEUR to date. Gripen International, through Saab AB, guarantees to deliver more than 100% of the contract value.

Gripen NG fulfills all Dutch requirements and will keep the RNLAF at the leading edge of military capabilities through 2050. Gripen NG meets all of the RNLAF operational requirements, has unbeatable low acquisition, operation and support costs and with technology transfer, will provide unrivalled access enabling autonomy and increased national security. With the full support of the Swedish government, the backing of world-leading defence industrial partners, Gripen NG is the fighter for the Netherlands.

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Post by John Rambo »

I'm still hoping for the F-35. There was already a discussion about it in another topic but I think it's more advanced in comparisson to the Gripen, which is from a previous generation. The F-35 has more stealth capabilities, internal weapon storage etc. I liked the X-32 from Boeing even more though, the X-32 had a far nicer look in my opinion.
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but if you look for a more economical sollution then my vote goes to the gripen...
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I'm not dutch (so not really concerned) but my vote goes at 300% for the swedish Gripen, and against the american F-35.
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Only the startpost has newsvalue, the discussion about F-35 vs. Gripen has already been held extensively in a different forum section
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John Rambo wrote:I'm still hoping for the F-35. There was already a discussion about it in another topic but I think it's more advanced in comparisson to the Gripen, which is from a previous generation. The F-35 has more stealth capabilities, internal weapon storage etc. I liked the X-32 from Boeing even more though, the X-32 had a far nicer look in my opinion.
agree!! looked a 21st century A-7 Corsair!!
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Gripen all the way !!!!!!!!!!!!

why spending to much money on a Yank while we can get a cheaper ( and as good ) plane on our own continent?

I realy thought that our goverment was all about makin' "a stronger Europe" :wink:

No, just kiddin', I realy think that the JAS-39NG is better for us.
Why do we realy need "Stealth"??
In our modernday defence system we "fight" terrorism.
I realy don't think that these guys have radar or whatsoever :shock:

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I think that for our country / economy the JAS-39NG the best deal is.

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Guinness wrote:Why do we realy need "Stealth"??
In our modernday defence system we "fight" terrorism.
I realy don't think that these guys have radar or whatsoever :shock:
And what happens if Russia becomes ever more aggressive and poses a threat to European stability? We have seen the way the country seems to develop in their Georgia action. It may once again become a possibile adversary. And what about China? In the future we may come into conflicts in other parts of the world where China may be on the other side.

We are not buying an airplane for now, but a weapon system for the next decades. Just look at how much longer than intended we are using the present F-16 fleet. Any acquisition must be "future proof" for a period longer than we may anticipate right now.

That said, with present developments in Russia, it may become more important to look at numbers also. What use would just a few super high tech stealth aircraft be against a massive Russian threat in say Ukrain? So we should look at less expensive options such as Gripen and F-16 as well.
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moved to here because this topic consist more out of opinions than news.
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Post by Alpha Kilo One »

Gimme Gripen !
It is far more elegant.

I don't like the JSF at all .........
Also from photographic point of view, I prefer the Gripen.

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Post by sfeyenoord1 »

Cant they just get both, everybodys happy then :lol:
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sfeyenoord1 wrote:Cant they just get both, everybodys happy then :lol:
You pay? ( you pay after all.... ) :idea:
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Definitely Gripen.
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That said, with present developments in Russia, it may become more important to look at numbers also. What use would just a few super high tech stealth aircraft be against a massive Russian threat in say Ukrain? So we should look at less expensive options such as Gripen and F-16 as well
Though you have a point, I somehow have the feeling that the whole discussion is not about "either 85 JSF or 120 Gripens". In that case I rather opt for stealth as this masive russian army will surely deploy radar guided SAMs and AWACS ...

In fact I don't even think we will get 85 at all, be it Gripens or JSF's..
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Post by topgun1984 »

the Gripen has already a far less radar signature then the F-16 (i guess) so harder to spot then an F-16

anyway if you look at the picture.... the amound of weaponry on the Gripen is far more then the internal bays of an F-35 can handle. So i think in one sortie of the gripen/ the F-35 has to do more runs to it's base than the Gripen....

So the fighterpower is better put in to action with a Gripen then with a F-35
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