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Re: Kleine Brogel (EBBL) 2021 MIL

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The tigertail of Italian Eurofighter MM7349 36-54 showed 351. What's does that stand for? Or should this mean it's actually MM7351? (36-55 is MM7352)
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Re: Kleine Brogel (EBBL) 2021 MIL

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Kilo Bravo wrote: 20 Sep 2021, 19:03 The tigertail of Italian Eurofighter MM7349 36-54 showed 351. What's does that stand for? Or should this mean it's actually MM7351? (36-55 is MM7352)
Have a look here: https://www.natotigers.org/tiger-unit/12deg-gruppo
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I did. It took me some time but finally I found what I was looking for: 351 Tiger flight :D Thx for the answer.
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KLEINE-BROGEL FRIDAY 10.09.2021 (mainly)RW23R
Weather: scattered/broken clouds, some sun, one heavy shower, mild

(08:00 – 18:30 near runway 23R approach)

F-16AM 10 Wing FA136 spec c/s T10:32 L12:02
F-16AM 10 Wing FA89 T10:32 L12:02
F-16AM 10 Wing FA123 T10:33 L12:06
F-2000A 36°Stormo MM7349/36-54 spec tail T10:37 L11:56
F-2000A 36°Stormo MM7352/36-55 T10:37 L11:57
F-2000A 36°Stormo MM7310/36-12 T10:38 L11:58*
F-2000A 36°Stormo MM7343/36-50 T10:38 L11:59*
Rafale B EC02.030 324/30-HW L10:17+
Rafale C EC02.030 132/30-GK spec c/s L10:35+
Rafale B EC02.030 133/30-GL L10:36+
C-130H 15 Wing CH01 spec tail L10:45+
C.295MW 242.tsl 0482 L10:47
NH.90-TTH THR 10 78+31 L10:56
EF.2000GA ÜbwG 7L-WG L11:13*
EF.2000GA ÜbwG 7L-WK L11:14*
Tornado IDS TaktLwG 51 46+05 spec tanks L11:20
Tornado IDS TaktLwG 51 45+13 spec tanks L11:25
EF.2000GS TaktLwG 51 31+01 spec c/s L12:31*
EF.2000GS TaktLwG 51 30+74 L12:32*
A.109BA 1 Wing H46 spec c/s L12:53
Wildcat HMA.2 825 NAS ZZ376 L12:55
CH-47D 298 Sqn D-665 L14:02
NH.90NFH 40 Sqn RN01 L15:53
P.180AM 311°Gruppo MM62161 L14:10
F-16AM Esq 201/301 15104 L13:30
F-16AM Esq 201/301 15105 spec tail L13:30
E-2C 4 F 1 spec tail L12:13
Rafale M 11 F 32 spec tail L16:03*
Rafale M 11 F 44 spec tail L16:03*
F-16C+ 335 Mira 009 yw/bk L14:13
F-16D+ 335 Mira 029 yw/bk L14:14
Hawk T.1 CFS XX311 demo c/s L15:08#3
Hawk T.1 CFS XX177 demo c/s L15:08#3
Hawk T.1 CFS XX232 demo c/s L15:08#3
Hawk T.1 CFS XX245 demo c/s L15:20#3
Hawk T.1 CFS XX319 demo c/s L15:20#3
Hawk T.1 CFS XX310 demo c/s L15:20#3
Hawk T.1 CFS XX325 demo c/s L15:24*
Hawk T.1 CFS XX278 demo c/s L15:25*
Hawk T.1 CFS XX342 demo c/s L15:47*
Hawk T.1 CFS XX322 demo c/s L15:48*
(these ten Hawks formed the RAF "Red Arrows" demonstration team)

CL.604 LTDB T-751 L16:05
SF.260D CC Air ST23 demo c/s L16:07#5
SF.260D CC Air ST35 demo c/s L16:07#5
SF.260D CC Air ST22 demo c/s L16:07#5
SF.260D CC Air ST02 demo c/s L16:08#5
SF.260D CC Air ST16 demo c/s L16:08#5
(these five SF.260s formed the Belgian "Red Devils" demonstration team)
W-3A 243.vrl 0714 L16:49
A.400M 15 Wing CT01 3A17:30
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F-18C HävLLv 11 HN-418/18 T09:03 L09:18
F-18C HävLLv 11 HN-453/53 T11:03 L11:18
F-16C+ 343 Mira 513 bl/yw T09:20 L09:35
T-17 FLSK T-415 spec c/s T09:38 L10:09
T-17 FLSK T-413 spec tail T09:38 L10:09
T-17 FLSK T-428 spec tail T09:38 L10:09
T-17 FLSK T-423 spec tail T09:38 L10:09
T-17 FLSK T-409 spec tail T09:38 L10:09
T-346A 311°Gruppo MM55217/61-13 T10:00 L10:15
F-16AM 10 Wing FA107 T14:15 L15:49*a1
F-16AM 10 Wing FA134 T14:15 L15:49*a1
F-16AM 10 Wing FA69 T14:18 L15:51 a1
F-16AM 10 Wing FA131 T14:18 L15:48 a1
F-16AM 10 Wing FA95 T14:20 L16:00 a0
F-16AM 10 Wing FA136 spec c/s T15:42 L17:09*a3
F-16AM 10 Wing FA119 T15:42 L17:08*a2
Hawk T.1 CFS XX232 demo c/s T17:53 L18:27#9
Hawk T.1 CFS XX319 demo c/s T17:53 L18:27#9
Hawk T.1 CFS XX245 demo c/s T17:53 L18:28#9
Hawk T.1 CFS XX325 demo c/s T17:53 L18:28#9
Hawk T.1 CFS XX177 demo c/s T17:53 L18:28#9
Hawk T.1 CFS XX242 demo c/s T17:53 L18:28#9
Hawk T.1 CFS XX311 demo c/s T17:53 L18:29#9
Hawk T.1 CFS XX310 demo c/s T17:53 L18:29#9
Hawk T.1 CFS XX278 demo c/s T17:53 L18:29#9
(these nine Hawks formed the RAF "Red Arrows" demonstration team)
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Re: Kleine Brogel (EBBL) 2021 MIL

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During the second spotters day on Monday at KeeBee I saw a special paint Belgian F-16 on the far side. At the time I assumed this was 'Dark Falcon" FA101, as the colours seemed to match and it had disappeared from the static where it was on Saturday. But I made a (very blurry) picture of it, and now I see the tail is different. The striping on the fuselage seems to match, but the rudder deosn't have the black and white striping FA101 has.
A search on the www didn't yield any candidates yet. Anybody who knows more? I don't need any active Belgian F-16s, but I hate gaps in my log ;-)
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Patrick, it was FA-22 :jester:
But seriously: I have a same sort of picture, from its 4-5 o'clock, and it matches FA-101 perfectly. It think details on Dark Falcon's tail were changed a few times and both sides differ from each other of course. Could that explain it?

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Patrick, it was FA-22 :jester:
If only...... :lol:

I thought the same at first, like I said, but on my blurry picture there clearly is a totally different pattern on the tail. no horizontal white and black stripes on the rudder, but also the front part of the tail is different. My picture is from the 7 o'clock position by the way. Maybe we are talking about another aircraft? "Mine" was parked next to a building on the far right, where the flying Belgians came from (plus the Italians and french).
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As the saying goes: "a picture says more than a thousand words"... Therefore, would it be possible to post both pictures here? Blurry and all? I agree with Key BTW: the current scheme for FA-101 does not have the horizontal black and white stripes on the rudder, and a totally different image on the tail as well. Initially, it had the stripes and the falcon (the bird) on the starboard side, but now has an F-16 there with the text "Serving over 40 years". In 2019 it had a falcon's head (the bird) on the port side, without stripes, which replaced the full scale falcon (with stripes) from 2018. In 2021, it carries the image of an F-35A and the text "flying to the future" on that side (again, without stripes...).
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Ah, ok, it could well be possible I compared to an old version. I did notice there have been many different schemes for FA101 and I thought I compared it with the most recent one, but now I see I didn't. So I guess it was FA101 after all....
I don't know how to post a picture by the way, I can send it to you if you can put it on the Messageboard? But I think it won't be necessary anymore anyway.
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On a side note, anyboy who knows the story behond the 'serial' LB-061 that has been put on former Dutch AF J-624? This is the instructional airframe that was on display on Saturday. I presume it is no random choice, just curious what it stands for :-)
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patrick dirksen wrote: 25 Sep 2021, 17:36 On a side note, anyboy who knows the story behond the 'serial' LB-061 that has been put on former Dutch AF J-624? This is the instructional airframe that was on display on Saturday. I presume it is no random choice, just curious what it stands for :-)
Maybe a loadtrainer for the A-bomb B61-12 :mrgreen:
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I’ve read somewhere it stands for “Luchtmacht Bewapening” or something like that. For the 61, I think TF-104G is “on target”
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patrick dirksen wrote: 25 Sep 2021, 13:54My picture is from the 7 o'clock position by the way. Maybe we are talking about another aircraft? "Mine" was parked next to a building on the far right, where the flying Belgians came from.
It's the same one, sorry, I meant 7-8 o'clock (as well). :idea:

I'm actually sure it was Dark Falcon:
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Here it is on Airfighters, arriving at KB on Saturday (which I apparently missed):
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Quite a different tail from what it had before, as Frank already pointed out.

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Perfect, case closed indeed :-)
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Seen today overhead NL this morning were 4x F-16 from KB. Per ADSB one flt was showing as FA-134 under BAF511. The other flt being the QRA shown as FA-123 under AL01. Did anyone get a visual ID on these, and did both flts return, or perhaps (one or both) went to the Baltics?

I'm asking, because earier today a C-130H under BAF651 also left for Amari.
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