Florennes (EBFS) - 2007

Erik_7Xi · Post by **Erik_7Xi** » 03 Dec 2007, 15:32

I never said it was good to post stuff like that did I?

Then again - if I post that two Israeli F-15Is have just landed at Florennes, that doesn't make it so either.

falcon · Post by **falcon** » 03 Dec 2007, 19:53

5 EF-18's arrived today from Ala-12.

credits to florennes.as.be and Credits to Radioman's Son, Philippe Devos

Cheerz,
George

perrie · Post by **perrie** » 03 Dec 2007, 19:55

That's very nice!!!

Three EF-18's already known, anyone for the other two?

Per

matrix · Post by **matrix** » 03 Dec 2007, 20:18

hi all,

fighters:

12-02 / C15.44 EF-18A+ EdA
12-07 / C15.49 EF-18A+ EdA
12-28 / C15.70 EF-18A+ EdA
12-16 / C15.58 EF-18A+ EdA
12-75 / C15-12 EF-18B+ EdA

Supports:

31-07 / T10.10 C-130H EdA
35-39 / T21.01 C 295M EdA

KIER · Post by **KIER** » 03 Dec 2007, 20:29

Who is talking about five (5) I see only four in this serial list.

Kier

matrix · Post by **matrix** » 03 Dec 2007, 20:41

Sorry, I forgot the 12-07 / C15.49

Richard de Florennes · Post by **Richard de Florennes** » 03 Dec 2007, 21:29

theo wrote:Dear fellow spotters,
Based on the information of yesterday evening I had to cancel my trip to Florennes. If the posted information is not valid I would be very disappointed and would urge all people who post information to do this only if the information is reliable. Less reliable information can be posted ofcourse (not everything is black and white) but at least include in the posting the source and some indication how reliable or unreliable the posting is.
Kind Regards,
Theo

1. Dear Piet (moderator); maybe this is your task

Please ban Triple X from this Forum, it is obvious he posted misleading and wrong information with full intention, just to destroy other's luck (like poor Theo

)

However, I would like to point out the following regarding Theos posting:

"Based on the information of yesterday"
-> Dear Theo, there was one strange posting of TripleX, but also an answer by me yesterday evening and also today giving all the information you wanted. If you believe a very strange information from a 4-postings-only-person, it's up to you ...

"all people"
-> Dear Theo, do not over-generalize: There was only one person giving obviously wrong information, while a lot of other people do a good job here

"and some indication how reliable or unreliable the posting is."
-> Dear Theo, you have responsiblity for your own (spotter) life, and you have - like all others here - to decide by yourselves what to believe and how reliable you would judge it (4-postings, strange message, well, I would not believe an Triple X). At least you should read also the answers given to your questions, and of course the answers do not appear within a few seconds. If you post a question, have a look in the forum after a few hours ...

by the way, the scramble TLP page created my Piet and me describes exactly that there is no way to predict if the TLP is going to fly before the flying day has begun. Only after weather briefing on the day, the descision or cancellation is made. Not on a SUNDAY EVENING!!!

Thanks to this forum, GODs help, fortune and and also for taking the full risk of every TLP day, I saw the following today: some 13 local F-16s, 20 TLP aircraft, 5 additional EF-18s, two Spanish Support aircraft ...

So not at all "All flights are cancelled" ...

Good luck to Theo and all others, hope weather will be with you until the end of the flying course!

Richard de Florennes · Post by **Richard de Florennes** » 04 Dec 2007, 00:09

FLORENNES MONDAY 2007-12-03 RW25
Weather: scattered clouds, clear air, sunny spells, strong wind, cool

Based aircraft (2 Wing; 1 & 350 Squadron):

1) morning wave:
F-16AM 2 Wing FA101/- spec c/s T10:52 L12:21* a4
F-16AM 2 Wing FA115/FS no badge T10:52 L12:21* a4
F-16AM 2 Wing FA57 /- no badge T11:22 L12:12
F-16AM 2 Wing FA120/FS no badge T11:22 L12:20 a2
F-16AM 2 Wing FA92 /- no badge T11:40 L13:15
F-16AM 2 Wing FA130/FS T11:40 L13:15

2) afternoon wave:
F-16AM 2 Wing FA125/FS no badge T13:55 L15:15a4 QRA
F-16AM 2 Wing FA107/FS T13:55 L14:58 QRA
F-16AM 2 Wing FA68 /- no badge T16:04 L17:08* a1
F-16AM 2 Wing FA109/- no badge T16:04 L17:08* a1
F-16AM 2 Wing FA130/FS T16:05 L17:09d
F-16AM 2 Wing FA57 /- no badge T16:05 L17:09d
F-16AM 2 Wing FA131/- demo c/s T16:06 L17:21* a1
F-16AM 2 Wing FA101/- spec c/s T16:06 L17:23* a1

Detached aircraft (Tactical Leadership Programme - TLP 2007/6):

1) TLP participants:
Falcon 20ECM FRA G-FRAS T12:30 L14:38+ a1
AV-8B+ GRUPAER MM7213/I-07 T12:34 L13:18+
AV-8B+ GRUPAER MM7199/I-03 T12:34 L14:04+
Tornado ECR JaboG 32 46+25 T12:36 L13:06d
Tornado ECR JaboG 32 46+44 T12:36 L13:19d a1
F-16AM 313 Sqn J-058 T12:38 L13:48+
F-16AM 313 Sqn J-509 T12:50 L14:15*
F-16AM 313 Sqn J-009 T12:50 L14:15*
EF.2000 4°Stormo MM7277/4-1 T12:40 L14:02*
EF.2000 4°Stormo MM7281/4-14 T12:40 L14:02*
F-4F JG 71 37+79 T12:45 L13:58*
F-4F JG 71 37+01 T12:45 L13:58*
AV-8B+ GRUPAER MM7218/I-12 T12:47 L14:07*
AV-8B+ GRUPAER MM7200/I-04 T12:47 L14:07*
F-16C 555thFS 87-351/AV gn T12:49 L14:05*
F-16C 555thFS 89-041/AV gn T12:49 L14:05*
F-16C 555thFS 89-038/AV gn T12:53 L14:17+
Tornado ECR 50°Stormo MM7019/50-05 T12:52 L14:00*
Tornado ECR 50°Stormo MM7062/50-44 T12:52 L14:00*
F-16AM 2 Wing FA97/- T12:56 L14:14*
F-16AM 2 Wing FA91/FS T12:56 L14:14*

2) TLP external assets:
EF-18A+ Ala 12 C.15-49/12-07 L12:16
EF-18A+ Ala 12 C.15-70/12-28 L12:16
EF-18A+ Ala 12 C.15-44/12-02 L12:16
EF-18B+ Ala 12 C.15-12/12-75 L13:17d
EF-18A+ Ala 12 C.15-58/12-16 L13:17d

Visiting aicraft (support for Spanish team):
C-130H Ala 31 T.10-10/31-07 L14:34 T15:31
CN.295M Ala 35 T.21-01/35-29 L14:46 T15:39

(notes: after more than a month without attractive aviation activity for me, it was of course the TLP which pulled me to an airbase once again. Because of lack of time during the first two weeks of this TLP cource due to job and family constraints, I finally found the needed time on a day blessed by rather nice but very cool and windy late-autumn weather.
In spite of a confusing message in the TLP forum, but thanks to good information sources and after a thorough weather check plus fast posting of helpful information in the message board, I took the risk and made the two-hour journey to the Ardennes - all alone, as trying to contact my favourite rural fellow spotter collegue via phone did not succeed ...
Luckily, activity on the TLP ramp began well in time and the impressive mass-launch saw all my aircraft of interest going airborne - with the four Italian AV-8s and the two Italian Typhoons plus the two German F-4s beeing my personal highlights. All other aircraft were welcome too of course and could be well enjoyed when recovering later that afternoon.
A nice addition were the seven (!) Spanish aicraft noted that day, consisting of no less than five EF-18s and two transports. All thise made up for another nice day at and thanks to “Superbase” Florennes!)

Sleegertje · Post by **Sleegertje** » 04 Dec 2007, 09:46

I saw an message on MSF that the F-16D 90-0796 AV is still present at Florennes. Also the Spanish arrived with an EF-18B. Are those twinseaters also participating in the TLP?

Regards, Rene Sleegers

theo · Post by **theo** » 04 Dec 2007, 12:14

Richard de Florennes wrote:
theo wrote:Dear fellow spotters,
Based on the information of yesterday evening I had to cancel my trip to Florennes. If the posted information is not valid I would be very disappointed and would urge all people who post information to do this only if the information is reliable. Less reliable information can be posted ofcourse (not everything is black and white) but at least include in the posting the source and some indication how reliable or unreliable the posting is.
Kind Regards,
Theo
1. Dear Piet (moderator); maybe this is your task Please ban Triple X from this Forum, it is obvious he posted misleading and wrong information with full intention, just to destroy other's luck (like poor Theo )

However, I would like to point out the following regarding Theos posting:

"Based on the information of yesterday"
-> Dear Theo, there was one strange posting of TripleX, but also an answer by me yesterday evening and also today giving all the information you wanted. If you believe a very strange information from a 4-postings-only-person, it's up to you ...

"all people"
-> Dear Theo, do not over-generalize: There was only one person giving obviously wrong information, while a lot of other people do a good job here

"and some indication how reliable or unreliable the posting is."
-> Dear Theo, you have responsiblity for your own (spotter) life, and you have - like all others here - to decide by yourselves what to believe and how reliable you would judge it (4-postings, strange message, well, I would not believe an Triple X). At least you should read also the answers given to your questions, and of course the answers do not appear within a few seconds. If you post a question, have a look in the forum after a few hours ...

by the way, the scramble TLP page created my Piet and me describes exactly that there is no way to predict if the TLP is going to fly before the flying day has begun. Only after weather briefing on the day, the descision or cancellation is made. Not on a SUNDAY EVENING!!!

Thanks to this forum, GODs help, fortune and and also for taking the full risk of every TLP day, I saw the following today: some 13 local F-16s, 20 TLP aircraft, 5 additional EF-18s, two Spanish Support aircraft ...

So not at all "All flights are cancelled" ...

Good luck to Theo and all others, hope weather will be with you until the end of the flying course!

Hello Richard,

I fully agree with your comments on my posting. Thanks for your and (all other) input. Unfortunately I was not able to read them Sunday evening. I did however send triple xxx a private message without result........
For me the discussion is closed and hope for a few days with decent weather condtions.

Kind Regards,
Theo

TF-104G · Post by **TF-104G** » 04 Dec 2007, 19:07

matrix wrote:hi all,

fighters:

12-75 / C15-12 EF-18B+ Eda

and http://www.florennes-as.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; write C.15B-12. They changed the registration from CE.15 to C.15B- ????

Thijs · Post by **Thijs** » 04 Dec 2007, 19:40

and http://www.florennes-as.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; write C.15B-12. They changed the registration from CE.15 to C.15B- ????

Typo? All the B-models carry CE as prefix.

Hans · Post by **Hans** » 04 Dec 2007, 19:56

Hi,

Richard de Florennes wrote:1. Dear Piet (moderator); maybe this is your task Please ban Triple X from this Forum

Please read the basic rules (again);

Do not post complains about other postings or users on this Board, but send a private message to the Moderator of the forum.

Just by ignoring these, you are also asking for measurements to be taken

Regards,

Hans

Redskin301 · Post by **Redskin301** » 04 Dec 2007, 20:43

Sleegertje wrote:I saw an message on MSF that the F-16D 90-0796 AV is still present at Florennes. Also the Spanish arrived with an EF-18B. Are those twinseaters also participating in the TLP?

Regards, Rene Sleegers

There are five Hornetts currently at florennes and they flew all today, i'm just back from a trip to the TLP sow saw them with my own eyes participating

Nice to know is that they are from Torrejon (ALA 12) and they don't have much twinseaters there

Sleegertje · Post by **Sleegertje** » 05 Dec 2007, 09:44

It's only too bad they always send the same one just like now.
Where there also 5 AV F-16's at Florennes?

Regards, Rene Sleegers

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