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Looking for a Belgian photographer / Creative shots..

Post by Iwan Bogels »

Dear all

A long time ago a Belgian photographer posted very artistic F-16 photos here. All were taken inside a shelter and looked almost back-an-white.

The photographer was not only a spotter, but also a photographer of other subject, and possibly a professional photographer (or his father, if I remember well).

Does anyone know who I mean, and if so, do you have a link to his website ?

Your help would be highly appreciated.

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Iwan Bogels wrote:Dear all

A long time ago a Belgian photographer posted very artistic F-16 photos here. All were taken inside a shelter and looked almost back-an-white.

The photographer was not only a spotter, but also a photographer of other subject, and possibly a professional photographer (or his father, if I remember well).

Does anyone know who I mean, and if so, do you have a link to his website ?

Your help would be highly appreciated.

Cheers,
Iwan
Hello Iwan,


This sounds a bit like me?

Pictures insde shelter: http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item107797.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
My website(s): http://www.31tigersqn.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://www.focaldesign.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Grtz,
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Faan wrote:This sounds a bit like me?

Pictures insde shelter: http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item107797.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
My website(s): http://www.31tigersqn.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://www.focaldesign.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Grtz,
Faan
Hi Faan,

You are right, it IS you ! I vividly remember those shots and wanted to show them to somebody as an example of how to turn a hobby into an artform. Now that I see them again, I'm even more convinced of that statement.

Thanks for sharing your the link again, and I'll be in touch with you again when I get back home (this is written online, somewhere in the bush).

Cheers,
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Post by sfeyenoord1 »

Some stunning looking shots indeed!
And it cant be better said as Iwan did! Truelly an artform! :o Keep making such shots! :o
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Post by Joris van Boven »

If you really want to become astonished, please visit Françoise's site
http://fguile.free.fr/AirandFeel/index.html .

I tried it myself, but a close-up is not always an artistic close-up.
Françoise can show you how artistic close-up can be made of aircraft, the snake will tell you.

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Those shots are indeed amazing (both from Faan and Françoise). I like how the pictures are really different from the typical spotters pictures, which are best described as: Get the whole plane, get the serial, get it sharp and done. A lot of spotter pictures lack composition, they all look the same.
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A lot of spotter pictures lack composition, they all look the same.
I think that's a rather blunt remark by Kiwi. The pictures don't lack composition, they are composed to the way that suits the photographer best. A spotter might want to have a picture for his archive and these pictures might as well look the same. Not because of lack of composition, but because their composition is similar. A side-on view of a landing plane that nicely fills the frame is a composition too, even if it looks like al lot of other side-ons.
Kiwi's remark is like saying: oh that portrait lacks composition, it shows a face like all other portraits.

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Sorry maybe I didn't choose my words correctly. I meant to say that a lot of them are taken more for function than for the picture. A full on sideshot of an aircraft is used so often that it gets less interesting if you see a lot of them. The importance for a lot of spotters seems to lie more on the subject than on the picture itself. I like to experiment with a bit of surrounding in pictures or at least some action in the picture.
So lack of composition maybe isn't the right phrase, maybe lack of variety is better. And Faan does something totally different than a lot (I say a lot instead of most on purpose) of spotters and I respect that. It's just that I've seen so many sideshots that it makes them less and less interesting, if the subject doesn't have extra value, like a very rare aircraft for example.
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Basman wrote:The pictures don't lack composition, they are composed to the way that suits the photographer best.
This is what the Dutch call "kaartenbakfotografie".

You could create a "deAugostini aircraft collection book" with these kind of shots. Especially for the kids: Collect them all !.

The art of photography is something completely different..... (in my opinion)

Bring on the flames !

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Haha, no need to bring on the flames, I agree with the fact that there's different categories of pictures. I just wanted to point out that everyone has his own goal for his pictures, and the composition is chosen in order to reach that goal. There are people who like to have a decent pic of every dutch F-16 and there's people who like to make arty-farty pics.....and there's people who like a bit of both. I personally can't see what's wrong though with a good landing shot of a fighter, recovering after a TLP-mission for instance. Nothing arty about that, but still tasty.


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Basman wrote:I personally can't see what's wrong though with a good landing shot of a fighter, recovering after a TLP-mission for instance. Nothing arty about that, but still tasty.
I would say: boring, because it's the same picture as all the other people standing around you did make and published before you on the internet. For years I call these pictures 'Florennes pictures'.

But I won't say the same about a picture with an interesting composition, action or point of view. And yes, you can also make those pics at Florennes!
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Spacedust wrote:
Basman wrote:I personally can't see what's wrong though with a good landing shot of a fighter, recovering after a TLP-mission for instance. Nothing arty about that, but still tasty.
I would say: boring, because it's the same picture as all the other people standing around you did make and published before you on the internet. For years I call these pictures 'Florennes pictures'.

But I won't say the same about a picture with an interesting composition, action or point of view. And yes, you can also make those pics at Florennes!
Exactly what I mean! I've seen great pics from Florennes with full afterburner takeoffs and a taxi-ing aircraft in front, instead of just the side-on shots
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PS How long until the moderator moves this topic?
Let's continue the discussion here in the photography forum, because in my opinion it is a discussion worth.

And to give a personal opinion, the first years i was also content with the side on shots, but when looking to other pictures i noticed that i had the same. So nothing special about my shots, so i am more looking for that particular shots that nobody has, although that is quite hard. But you can learn from other people, like the examples in this topic, that's also one of the reason i like these kind of discussion's, you can learn a lot of it if you want.
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kiwi wrote:
Exactly what I mean! I've seen great pics from Florennes with full afterburner takeoffs and a taxi-ing aircraft in front, instead of just the side-on shots
Which has nothing to do with artistic shots but the fact that those kind of pictures usually require more professional equipment to get a decent result.
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Iroquois wrote:
kiwi wrote:
Exactly what I mean! I've seen great pics from Florennes with full afterburner takeoffs and a taxi-ing aircraft in front, instead of just the side-on shots
Which has nothing to do with artistic shots but the fact that those kind of pictures usually require more professional equipment to get a decent result.
I think the topic has shifted a bit from artistic to unorthodox shots. And you don't necessarily need professional equipment for great takeoff shots. I've made some very nice shots at the Open Days at Leeuwarden this year with a borrowed 400D (wouldn't call that pro gear). And that was my second time with a dSLR, so it's not the equipment, it's the imagination and creativeness of the person looking through the camera.
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