Rome - Bufalotta (Bentivoglio scrapyard)

Melchior Timmers · Post by **Melchior Timmers** » 30 May 2008, 10:14

Seen at 23-5-8:

G-91T.1 MM54396 special c/s
G-91T.1 MM54409 60-109 preserved on containers
G-91T.1 MM6355 60-55
G-91T.1 MM6463 32-63
G-91T.1 MM6350 32-50
G-91T.1 MM6325 32-25
G-91T.1 MM6463 60-36
G-91T.1 MM6432 32-32
G-91T.1 MM6462 32-62
G-91T.1 MM6330 32-30
F-84 36733 50-28
RF-84 27395 12
G-91Y MM6459
G-91Y MM6463 32-11
G-91Y MM6445 only parts
T-33A MM51-9033
F-104S-ASA MM6922 5 15
F-104S-ASA MM6524 37-02
F-104S-ASA MM6820 5 22 nose MM6524
F-104S-ASA MM6845 5 36 nose MM6551
F-104S-ASA MM6559 37 06
F-104S-ASA MM6909 5 04 nose MM6931
F-104S-ASA MM6946 36 03 nose MM6792
F-104S-ASA MM6792 5 21 nose MM6836
F-104S-ASA MM6809 preserved on containers
NH-500 MM80969 GF-67
NH-500 MM81008 GF-84

Cheers,

Otto · Post by **Otto** » 30 May 2008, 10:38

Hi Melchior we couldn't find the MM of the special "75"c/s Gina. The only thing we could find was the c/n plate in the cockpit. There it said NC87, belonging to MM6357???

Other oldies logged in the Rome vicinity:
G-91T.1 MM6323/60-23
AB205 MM......../SE-60

Both can be found near a small civil heliport:
EC120 I-COPT Starfly
A-109-II I-SEIA silver c/s
Ecureuil I-MAKA
A-109A I-REDV private
Ecureuil I-TSAM

Wijgert IJlst · Post by **Wijgert IJlst** » 30 May 2008, 10:47

Melchior Timmers wrote:Seen at 23-5-8:

G-91T.1 MM54396 special c/s

Thanks for that, could not find an MM on this machine. This is the one with "75°" applied on the tail, right?

Melchior Timmers wrote: G-91T.1 MM54409 60-109 preserved on containers

Melchior, I'm not convinced that this is indead the 60-109. Actualy I have noted down 60-108. Her MM-number was overpainted with black paint, but should be MM54408 in that case. But on the the right side of this plane is cleary showed 60-108 if I'm not mistaken. Have seen another log with 60-109 in it aswell, and also 60-108 missing. So I searched on airliners.net, this shows that it has a metal panel on the left side. It's applied over the "8" of 60-108, which made it look just like 60-109 on the left side (looking from the ringroad). Actualy it is not placed on containers but on top of a few metal poles.
Here is a picture which clearly shows how 60-108 can be mistaken for 60-109:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Italy--- ... 0977035/L/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Melchior Timmers wrote: F-104S-ASA MM6809 preserved on containers

Haven't got my logs here with me at the moment, but in my memories this one is coded 5-11. And also is not placed on containers but on top of a few metal poles or some kind of frame even.

Melchior Timmers · Post by **Melchior Timmers** » 30 May 2008, 12:03

Otto wrote:Hi Melchior we couldn't find the MM of the special "75"c/s Gina. The only thing we could find was the c/n plate in the cockpit. There it said NC87, belonging to MM6357???

Other oldies logged in the Rome vicinity:
G-91T.1 MM6323/60-23
AB205 MM......../SE-60

Oscar,

I read (MM)54396 as radio call in the backseat cockpit, so presume it is this bird instead of MM6357.
We also saw the AB204 near the G-91, but someone removed the c/n plate so any help with that bird is needed.

Melchior, I'm not convinced that this is indead the 60-109. Actualy I have noted down 60-108.

Indeed 61-108 MM54408 c/n135

Cheers,

Otto · Post by **Otto** » 30 May 2008, 12:49

Ok thanks Melchior, strange the c/n plate in the front mentioned c/n NC87.

Ref the AB205, Sander saw one preserved near a trainstation wearing the same code (SE-60)

Melchior Timmers · Post by **Melchior Timmers** » 30 May 2008, 13:09

Thanks for the log. When we where there it was closed.

Not that I wan't to disapoint you, but I doubt everything was visible from the outside (like th NH500s and some G91s that were not in the row)

Otto wrote:Ok thanks Melchior, strange the c/n plate in the front mentioned c/n NC87.

It could be this one is made of multiple fuselages after being cut because of the CFE?

Ref the AB205, Sander saw one preserved near a trainstation wearing the same code (SE-60)

Hmm, that doesn't make it any more clear than... although 'our' code was not realy worn but overpainted/faided.

Cheers,

Otto · Post by **Otto** » 30 May 2008, 13:13

Yes most likely a composite Gina.

We checked "our" 205 on both sides, we even took a pic of it. Clearly readable was "our" code....

patrick dirksen · Post by **patrick dirksen** » 30 May 2008, 13:52

There actually was a c/n plate in the AB.204B, on the right hand main cabin door post. It is 3103, which makes it MM80332. Strangely enough this was in the Scramble database as dumped in the States, last noted in 2002. But two of us checked the c/n, and also another party got the same. So my guess is that the sighting in the USA was a mispole.....

Rik van der Vet · Post by **Rik van der Vet** » 30 May 2008, 16:02

Melchior,

Thanks for posting, but I saw you read three same G91's but different code's.

MM6463/60-36 G91T.1 stored Rome - Bentivoglio
MM6463/32-11 G91Y stored Rome - Bentivoglio
MM6463/32-63 G91T.1 stored Rome - Bentivoglio

What about that? Tail swap's, Mispoles?

Thanks,

Rik

Melchior Timmers · Post by **Melchior Timmers** » 30 May 2008, 17:14

Rik van der Vet wrote:Melchior,

Thanks for posting, but I saw you read three same G91's but different code's.

MM6463/60-36 G91T.1 stored Rome - Bentivoglio
MM6463/32-11 G91Y stored Rome - Bentivoglio
MM6463/32-63 G91T.1 stored Rome - Bentivoglio

What about that? Tail swap's, Mispoles?

Thanks,

Rik

Rik,

Must be like this:

MM6436/60-36 G91T.1 stored Rome - Bentivoglio
MM6463/32-11 G91Y stored Rome - Bentivoglio
the other one was a type error..

Cheers,

Melchior Timmers · Post by **Melchior Timmers** » 31 May 2008, 20:18

Crizz wrote:Do you have an image of the G-91's on a row left of the c/s G-91's and a image of the F-104's near the entrance of the yard?
That would help me alot!

Cheers

Here are the G-91T.1s:

With these numbers:
G-91T.1 MM6355 60-55
G-91T.1 MM6463 32-63
G-91T.1 MM6350 32-50
G-91T.1 MM6325 32-25
G-91T.1 MM6436 60-36
G-91T.1 MM6432 32-32
G-91T.1 MM6462 32-62
G-91T.1 MM6330 32-30

These pictures were taken last year, but nothing changed since:

With these numbers:
F-104S-ASA MM6922 5 15
F-104S-ASA MM6524 37-02
F-104S-ASA MM6820 5 22 nose MM6524
F-104S-ASA MM6845 5 36 nose MM6551
F-104S-ASA MM6559 37 06
F-104S-ASA MM6909 5 04 nose MM6931
F-104S-ASA MM6946 36 03 nose MM6792
F-104S-ASA MM6792 5 21 nose MM6836

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Michiel · Post by **Michiel** » 01 Jun 2008, 14:12

Please aware that the serials of the nose cones or the serials of the tail section are not the right serials of the centre section.

From some of the F-104's we were able to check the c/n numbers and customernumbers in the cockpit. In the book EMOOS 2007 you find the right MM-numbers of the centre sections.

For those that do not have the book the list

MM6789/37-02 c/n checked
MM6792/5-21
MM6797/5-36
MM6809/36-03 c/n checked
MM6833/5-22 c/n checked
MM6909/37-23
MM6915/5-15 c/n checked
MM6922/5-04
MM6946/37-06

Regards,

Michiel

Melchior Timmers · Post by **Melchior Timmers** » 01 Jun 2008, 16:08

Crizz wrote:Are there any recent photos as well?
We can't remember seeing the G-91 infront of the F-104's.
We counted 4 G-91's with code 60-xx and 3 with code 32-xx
And then the G-91 in Special colors lying on the right side of the row.

Unless the photo of the G-91's is a rescent one, we counted wrong.
Who has more images ?

The G-91's were taken last week, the F-104s May07

Cheers,

Basman · Post by **Basman** » 01 Jun 2008, 16:33

Hi Melchior,

we were here on saturday, just before closing time. We convinced the manager to let us have a quick look-around. He told us though, that there were no H500's left. Where were these H500's, on the office side or on the side of the F-104's/Gina's?

Bas

Melchior Timmers · Post by **Melchior Timmers** » 01 Jun 2008, 17:06

Basman wrote:Hi Melchior,

we were here on saturday, just before closing time. We convinced the manager to let us have a quick look-around. He told us though, that there were no H500's left. Where were these H500's, on the office side or on the side of the F-104's/Gina's?

Bas

They were on the office side, between containers and under a cloth, not vissible from the outside.

Cheers,

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