Surinam Airways expansion plans

[cHabu]

I see a PBM-CUR-AMS routing and back as a more attractive route but that's just my opinion.

Depends on what routes SLM operates with the B737...

Lets see how SLM operates the A340 before speculating on future routes.

[Nozem]

Antwerp?

Antwerp!? That airport has got a runway length of 1500m! Have you ever been on an A340? Dream on
Kees

Ever been to SXM?(as mentioned before,I've been).and 1500 m is not a problem even full of fuel and people

Greetings Ton

[flying_kiwi]

Ever been to SXM?(as mentioned before,I've been).and 1500 m is not a problem even full of fuel and people

Sure you've been??
The runway at St Maarten is longer than 1500m (2180m), and I'll guarantee that an A340 will never be allowed/able to depart from a 1500m runway with a full pax load and full tanks.

Yorden

[B767-300ER]

Ever been to SXM?(as mentioned before,I've been).and 1500 m is not a problem even full of fuel and people

Sure you've been??
The runway at St Maarten is longer than 1500m (2180m), and I'll guarantee that an A340 will never be allowed/able to depart from a 1500m runway with a full pax load and full tanks.

Yorden

Even from SXM its not possible to be able to depart with 340 (or 744) full pax load and full tanks. Thats why KLM fly's straight to SXM from Amsterdam, but on their way back a stop in CUR or BON..

[Nozem]

The air France A340 leaves SXM full with fuel and pax and yes I know the runway is almost 2200 meters on sxm. but when this Air Fence departs to CDG It only uses less than 2/3 of the runway.I couldn't beleave it myself untill I saw it happening.It goes like a and when he rotates It goes like a rocket and directly making a sharp right turn.
I know KLM does go to CUR or BON but AF goes non-stop.

Yes and I also know that it won't go to Antwerp but don't say its not possible.
And it would be easier to go to BRU insted with the longer runway.
but as mentioned citybird already tried this....
Greetings Ton

[flying_kiwi]

A little bit off topic, but seeing as I had a little time this morning, I looked up what the performance limited takeoff weight would be for an A340-300 departing SXM figure in mind, I calculated what sort of payload it would be able to carry from SXM to AMS, not taking any obstacles into account.

MTOW would be approximately 217000kgs from the 2100m runway at SXM. To fly SXM-AMS, departing at 2300UTC tonight, with the forecast winds, 5% contingency fuel, 45 minutes final reserve, and BRU as alternate, would require 73300kgs of fuel.
Based on the standard empty operating weight we use of 128800kgs, this means the maximum payload would be 14900kgs. Taking average weight per passenger of 100kgs (including baggage), this would limit flight to 149 passengers and no cargo.

Regards,
Yorden

[flying_kiwi]

The air France A340 leaves SXM full with fuel and pax and yes I know the runway is almost 2200 meters on sxm. but when this Air Fence departs to CDG It only uses less than 2/3 of the runway.I couldn't beleave it myself untill I saw it happening.It goes like a and when he rotates It goes like a rocket and directly making a sharp right turn.
I know KLM does go to CUR or BON but AF goes non-stop.

I'm sure that the AF A340 is weight limited when departing SXM to Paris. Doing the same calculation as above to AMS for the flight to CDG, they would be able to carry about 189 passengers and their baggage, but no cargo.
The fact that the aircraft only uses approximately 1500m of the runway to takeoff from doesn't mean that it can take the same load from a runway that had a total length of 1500m.
The Airbus takeoff weight limitation tables in their Airplane Characteristics document for the A340-300 don't give any information for takeoffs on runways under 6000ft (~1900m), but if I had to hazard a guess, the aircraft could probably depart a 1500m runway with a performance limited TOW of about 145000kgs, leaving between 15 and 20 tons for fuel and payload.

Yorden

[trainlink2000]

More rumours on the interior of the first A340:

1 Only 16 business seats left standing
2 Seats will be Air France blue (instead of KLM blue as in the B747) for ease of maintenance (by Air France)
3 In total 309 seats (up from the AF configuration with more business class seats)

Laters!

[Nozem]

A little bit off topic, but seeing as I had a little time this morning, I looked up what the performance limited takeoff weight would be for an A340-300 departing SXM figure in mind, I calculated what sort of payload it would be able to carry from SXM to AMS, not taking any obstacles into account.

MTOW would be approximately 217000kgs from the 2100m runway at SXM. To fly SXM-AMS, departing at 2300UTC tonight, with the forecast winds, 5% contingency fuel, 45 minutes final reserve, and BRU as alternate, would require 73300kgs of fuel.
Based on the standard empty operating weight we use of 128800kgs, this means the maximum payload would be 14900kgs. Taking average weight per passenger of 100kgs (including baggage), this would limit flight to 149 passengers and no cargo.

I'm sure that the AF A340 is weight limited when departing SXM to Paris. Doing the same calculation as above to AMS for the flight to CDG, they would be able to carry about 189 passengers and their baggage, but no cargo.
The fact that the aircraft only uses approximately 1500m of the runway to takeoff from doesn't mean that it can take the same load from a runway that had a total length of 1500m.
The Airbus takeoff weight limitation tables in their Airplane Characteristics document for the A340-300 don't give any information for takeoffs on runways under 6000ft (~1900m), but if I had to hazard a guess, the aircraft could probably depart a 1500m runway with a performance limited TOW of about 145000kgs, leaving between 15 and 20 tons for fuel and payload.

Yorden

Thanks for the explanation,makes a lot clear to me....
(I quess ,back to topic?)

Greetings Ton

[Onurair(AMS)]

http://www.planepictures.net/show.php?id=886638

[Mad Viper]

Don't know if it is noticed already but the paintscheme on the A340 looks different then on another plane of them.

A340:
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/photos/fglzg.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
737:
http://images3.jetphotos.net/img/1/3/3/ ... 247133.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks like someone mispainted the colour of the lines on the A340?

I also hear rumours that because of this the delivery will be delayed?

[SPL]

Yep thats correct, the colors (stripes) are not correct.
Must be done again, either in France or at EHAM.


Groeten Martijn

[Mad Viper]

Is there an indication how long this is gonna take. A source on another forum says March '10, but that seems a bit long for my taste.

[Thijs]

the discussion about links to photo's can be found here http://www.scramble.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=57439" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Onurair(AMS)]

Does anybody knows if the 737's are bought or on lease?
Because i thought that when the 340 goes in to service(witch is on lease) and the 747 goes out, they wont have any aircrafts themself??
And i thought that the 747 was bought??

Anybody??

Grt