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USAF says it has enough C-17s

The US Air Force “has enough C-17s" and says that "money spent on things we don't need takes away from those we do need."

Gary Parsons - 15-Jul-2010

US Defense Department officials told a congressional panel on July 13 that the US Air Force “has enough C-17s" and that "money spent on things we don't need takes away from those we do need."

Air Force officials are siding with Defense Secretary Robert Gates against the purchase of more C-17 Globemaster IIIs in the 2011 Defence Appropriations Bill.

At present the USAF has 223 C-17s and 111 C-5s, “more than enough airlift capability for years to come”.

Lockheed's C-5A will be viable until 2025, and the fleet as a whole should last until 2040.

Congress is adding small batches of C-17s each year in an effort to keep the production lines open for international sales, but the Air Force warns that with each additional aircraft $300 million needs to be found elsewhere in the defence budget.

If more C-17s are approved, older C-5As would have to be retired.

Gates has made clear to Congress that President Obama would veto any legislation that provides for more C-17s.
John McCain thinks the same...

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DATE:14/07/10

SOURCE:Flight International

US Senators raise alarms over more C-17 add-ons

By Stephen Trimble

Two US Senators are concerned that fellow legislators on the appropriations committee are likely to add funding to buy more Boeing C-17s, despite strong opposition from the Obama administration.

Arizona Senator John McCain and Delaware Senator Thomas Carper took the unusual step of organising a hearing outside the normal appropriations process on 14 July specifically to question the affordability of adding even more C-17s to the US Air Force strategic airlift fleet.

Congress has inserted about $10 billion to add 43 C-17s to military budgets since 2007, when the Bush administration originally attempted to shut down the production line in Long Beach, California.

The Obama administration adopted the same policy, but was ignored by legislators who in 2009 voted to add 18 more C-17s in two separate spending bills, raising the USAF's total fleet of the type to 223 aircraft.

So far, the four committees that administer the defence appropriations process have not added funds for more C-17s this year, but that could still change, McCain says.

He cites the strong possibility that fellow senators on the appropriations committee may add funds for C-17s as the reason for the 14 July hearing, which was hosted by Carper's Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committee.

"Let's be clear: the only thing sustaining the C-17 programme in the face of a military requirement that is and will likely remain satisfied is the predominance of the military-industrial complex," McCain says. "These machinations should end."

Although the USAF has not asked for additional funds, the Air National Guard has published a list of unfunded priorities that include a need for five more C-17s worth $1.3 billion.

USAF officials at the hearing testified that the strategic airlift fleet is over capacity by 10%.

That analysis drove the decision to stop C-17 production after 2012 and retire 22 of the least reliable Lockheed Martin C-5As, they say.

Boeing is working to keep production alive by slowing the rate of deliveries from 15 last year to 10 in 2012, while maintaining current prices.

The company also is pursuing more foreign sales opportunities, including a potential order in India for 10 aircraft.
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Re: USAF says: ordering additional C-17s is waste of money...

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... that means a sudden death to come for the production line of the C-17 as foreign orders cease to come :evil:

Perhaps they can help Airbus with their "turbo-prop version" of the C-17 :wink:
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At present the USAF has 223 C-17s and 111 C-5s, “more than enough airlift capability for years to come”.
And so why they are renting very expensive An124 flights for some of their missions?
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Maurizio wrote:
At present the USAF has 223 C-17s and 111 C-5s, “more than enough airlift capability for years to come”.
And so why they are renting very expensive An124 flights for some of their missions?
I cannot say for the C-5 vs An-124, but the An-124 can carry some loads the C-17 cannot. Tonnage and size can be too big for the C-17. So ordering more C-17s will not solve that issue.

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Maurizio wrote:
At present the USAF has 223 C-17s and 111 C-5s, “more than enough airlift capability for years to come”.
And so why they are renting very expensive An124 flights for some of their missions?
Some destinations may require - let's say - non US personnel to fly in...

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Mmmmh, the 555th was deployed to Israel recently and support was sent and sent back with AN 124's, not too heavy cargo and not US personnell problems I think....
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Perhaps because the C-5 isn't the most reliable aircraft... Nice to have 100+ Galaxy's, but if they aren't more servicable.
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