Question: S-64 Skycrane at Hermeskeil

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Question: S-64 Skycrane at Hermeskeil

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Good evening

Preserved at the Hermeskeil museum is the nose section of a Sikorsky S-64 Skycrane. According to several sources it should be the D-9511, c/n 64-003.
However found on the net was:
c/n 64-003, S64A modified to S64E.
Registered as N306Y, D-9511, LA+113, N6960R, PK-OBU, N6960R, C-GJZK, N176AC, C-GJZK.
Also a picture as C-C-GJZK c/n 64-003 , made 02 may 2007 near Sproat Lake Canada was found.
This should mean the cockpit section at Hermeskeil has a different p.i.,
anyone to solve this puzzle ??

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Re: Question: S-64 Skycrane at Hermeskeil

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Hi Remco,

Found this at:
http://www.bayerische-flugzeug-historik ... crane.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

" Nach der Erprobung in Manching flogen beide Maschinen ab 1965 noch bei der 1. Luftrettungs- und Verbindungsstaffel in Fürstenfeldbruck mit den militärischen Kennzeichen LA+112 und LA+113. 1968 wurden sie schließlich als N6959R und N6960R in die USA verkauft. N6959R wurde 1991 bei einem Tankunfall beschädigt und anschließend verschrottet. Die zweite ehemalige Bundeswehrmaschine wechselte nach einem Unfall 1974 noch mehrmals den Besitzer und das Kennzeichen. Zuletzt war die Maschine in Kanada als C-GJZK registriert. Seit 1982 befindet sich ihr Rumpfvorderteil in der Flugausstellung L.+P. Junior bei Hermeskeil. "
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Re: Question: S-64 Skycrane at Hermeskeil

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Buccaneer S.2B wrote:Good evening

Preserved at the Hermeskeil museum is the nose section of a Sikorsky S-64 Skycrane. According to several sources it should be the D-9511, c/n 64-003.
However found on the net was:
c/n 64-003, S64A modified to S64E.
Registered as N306Y, D-9511, LA+113, N6960R, PK-OBU, N6960R, C-GJZK, N176AC, C-GJZK.
Also a picture as C-C-GJZK c/n 64-003 , made 02 may 2007 near Sproat Lake Canada was found.
This should mean the cockpit section at Hermeskeil has a different p.i.,
anyone to solve this puzzle ??

regards,
Remco
Hm... 64003 is also listed here: http://www.fs.fed.us/fire/aviation/fixe ... b_list.xls" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Can not draw a conclusion but it does make things more interesting...

Greetings,
Stefan
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Re: Question: S-64 Skycrane at Hermeskeil

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Hello,

This could well be one of the famous c/n plate swappings. This has done before with S-58s and S-61s, where the hulk of an ex military aircraft is still current, while a rebuild flying civil a/c has the same c/n.

Acc to AMCAR N176AC/64-003 was removed to from the US reg as sold to C-GJZK on 06feb01, only a week after 61-002/N6959R was removed from the US Reg (on 30jan01) as scrapped. The N6959R had already crashed on 27jun91. Both were at the time with Erickson Air Crane at Central Point, OR.

In 1997 Erickson Air Crane had N176AC in the US Reg as c/n 64-062, which is ex US Army 64-18457 that had crashed on 29sep79 and was burned out on the ground.

Maybe the C-GJZK is not really c/n 64-003

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Re: Question: S-64 Skycrane at Hermeskeil

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Good evening all,

Thx for all the replies !
Lars: looking at the story you found regarding the history of the German Skycranes
combined with c/n plate swapping possibility mentioned & information found by W&R, it seems to my humble opninion logic the Hermeskeil cockpit section is indeed c/n 64-003, while the still current C-GJZK must have a different identity.
Thanks anyhow,

regards,
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Re: Question: S-64 Skycrane at Hermeskeil

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64-003 1962 N306Y S-64A Sikorsky Aircraft Division
D-9511 1963 West German Defence Ministry taken WFU 20/12/65
LA+113 14/04/1966 West German Air Force (Luftwaffe) sold 25/07/67
Crash Nov. 69 ? Allemagne Crash US Army
Nose/cockpit only at Flugausstellung L & P Junior Because of ??
Rebuilt Allemagne ou USA ?
64-003 N6960R …/09/70 S5227572 Sikorsky Aircraft Division
…/01/73 Erickson Air Crane Compagny
Crash 19/10/74 at Kemville, CA Collision with trees, Fire  After  Impact, DESTROYED LAX75FV29
rebuilt Erickson Air Crane Inc.
PK-OBU 1980 Airfast Services Indonesia cancelled 07.05.83
N6960R …/06/83 Fort Wayne Enterprises Inc. cancelled 04.05.87
C-GJZK …/05/87 Erickson Air-Crane (Canada) Ltd.
02/02/1990 Canadian Air-Crane Ltd. cancelled 15.04.98
E.A.C N176AC 22/04/1998 S-64E Erickson Air Crane Co. LLC
Erickson Air Crane Inc. cancelled 05.02.01
C-GJZK R06/02/01 H6EA Canadian Air-Crane Ltd. ? 748









64-062 1968 68-18457 CH-54A US Army (dd 10/68),
295 Avn Co, ARNG
Crash 29/09/79 29.09.79/CH-54A (64-062)/6. / 68-18457 /US Army         Ohio /USA
64-062 (N176AC) S50227572 (Candidate epave, 16.06.97)
cancelled 24.09.97 (scrapped) cancelled 06.10.97
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