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Swedish border intruded by foreign power

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Foreign power intruded Swedish air space the 18 July around 18.00.

A aircraft not military, but of civil type (?) belonged to foreign power asked to pass Sweden from Visby to Jönköping and south. But they were not allowed.

But they intruded from Visby to Öland and took a southern way instead.

No military alert, instead pressure via the civil way.

Someone have a clue of aircraft involved? I suppose Russian.

Swedish military and other political type decline to inform.

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/utlandskt-flyg ... t-luftrum/
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Re: Swedish border intruded by foreign power

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Perhaps a reply on Flightradar is possible ?

FR24 does show a GLEX, departing from Morcow, passing Sweden on the south side.It also shows a CL6, departing from St. Petersburg, passing Visby and Kalmar.
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Re: Swedish border intruded by foreign power

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Great
It must be the CL6.
What is a CL6?.
The aircraft passed Visby continue over Öland and to Kalmar. Break back out of Sweden.

What could be the problem with the aircraft? It must be around the Ukraine, MH17 and the EU discussions.
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Re: Swedish border intruded by foreign power

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Timeline of aircraft 18 july:

19.12 Gotland/Visby east in
19.21 Visby out

19.22 Öland in
19.28 Öland south out

Aircraft type and serial?
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Re: Swedish border intruded by foreign power

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hammarö wrote:Great
It must be the CL6.
What is a CL6?.
The aircraft passed Visby continue over Öland and to Kalmar. Break back out of Sweden.

What could be the problem with the aircraft? It must be around the Ukraine, MH17 and the EU discussions.
A CL6 is a Canadair Challenger.
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Re: Swedish border intruded by foreign power

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cHabu wrote:Perhaps a reply on Flightradar is possible ?

FR24 does show a GLEX, departing from Moscow, passing Sweden on the south side.It also shows a CL6, departing from St. Petersburg, passing Visby and Kalmar.
Typo corrected.
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Re: Swedish border intruded by foreign power

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The plane in question for the 18 july is a RC-135. My timeline is time points for the RC-135. The plane must have performed sigint over Latvia.

It was chased by Russian fighters from Kaliningrad.

The other two mentioned civil aircrafts have nothing to do with the incident.

Someone know the RC-135 serial?

Map of incident area
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/utlandskt-flyg ... t-luftrum/

The intruding area was not large according map. But the plane must have been in a very dangerous situation.
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Re: Swedish border intruded by foreign power

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hammarö wrote:The plane in question for the 18 july is a RC-135. My timeline is time points for the RC-135. The plane must have performed sigint over Latvia.

It was chased by Russian fighters from Kaliningrad.

The other two mentioned civil aircrafts have nothing to do with the incident.

Someone know the RC-135 serial?

Map of incident area
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/utlandskt-flyg ... t-luftrum/

The intruding area was not large according map. But the plane must have been in a very dangerous situation.
On July 18th RC-135W 62-4138 was active as POSEY28.
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Re: Swedish border intruded by foreign power

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hammarö wrote:The plane in question for the 18 july is a RC-135. My timeline is time points for the RC-135. The plane must have performed sigint over Latvia.

It was chased by Russian fighters from Kaliningrad.

The other two mentioned civil aircrafts have nothing to do with the incident.

Someone know the RC-135 serial?

Map of incident area
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/utlandskt-flyg ... t-luftrum/

The intruding area was not large according map. But the plane must have been in a very dangerous situation.
Since April a RC135 is performing missions on almost daily bases to that region from/to Mildenhall.
Every time different callsign.July 18th indeed was POSEY 28
Once they were cleared on a different route which was not on their flightplan. ( it took them over Germany) they told the controller (135.960 from memory) their planned route would be over
Denmark & Sweden.
While overhead The Netherlands they usually are cleared direct CDA (CODAN) which is very near to Danish/Swedish airspace border (on eastbound leg)

Callsigns used including today's mission:
EXTRO 26 MARCO 28 SEPAL 29 HOSE 21 HONE 22 NAVEL 25 ORKA 28 SNOWY 29 UNCUT 22 GAUL 23 HOST 24 GULP 25 CARA 26 EMMER 27 LEND 28 LORUM 29 BONDI 20
TONED 21 JOTA 22 GAMUT 23 TALUS 24 CURD 25 ALONG 26 AWFUL 27 CARTY 29 NOVAR 20 LOOP 21 FINCH 21 NUMB 22 DIRE 23 JIMA 24 PAGAN 26 STRUM 27 SEND 28 HARP 29
GATE 20 GAUDY 11 HOOKS 22 PIZZA 23 VELAR 24 PONT 25 BUILD 26 BARF 27 VOLVO 28 ABASK 20 DEMIT 21 STOLE 22 ETNA 23 DIVA 24 MATTA 26 GILD 27 BOLLY 28 UNSEW 20
FOIL 22 PATSY 23 AGAZE 26 BANKS 27 MASS 29 COORS 20 GOLA 22 ALVIN 24 HANDY 27 POSEY 28 COMMA 21 SMOG 23 RAVE 25 STIPE 28 ALISP 29 AMID 21 CUTCH 28 DRYAD 24
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Re: Swedish border intruded by foreign power

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We have the SAME 40 typo flights also. These must be very technical and interesting.
This info goes now from civil to military files.
These types is very interesting since I have followed the RC-135 flights in Baltic since the 1970s.
The evolution of RC-135 are also very interesting.
These info also now corresponds with the info around the MH17 crash.
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Re: Swedish border intruded by foreign power

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The Rivet Joint made a diversion because of the plane was looked on by air defence radar from Kaliningrad.
They were ready to shot down the Rivet Joint.

Not as earlier stated that they were chased by fighters.

The Kaliningrad has since earlier S-300 with radars. Newly they get S-400 as replacement after SA-5. The Kaliningrad air defence were earlier connected to the strategic part of Moscow air defence.

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The last information above included also the following from CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/02/us/us ... index.html
U.S. military official tells CNN the incident occurred on July 18, the day after MH17 crash.
RC-135 Rivet Joint was on electronic eavesdropping mission in international airspace.

U.S. official: Spy plane flees Russian jet, radar; ends up over Sweden.

Washington (CNN) -- The Cold War aerial games of chicken portrayed in the movie "Top Gun" are happening in real life again nearly 30 years later.

A U.S. Air Force spy plane evaded an encounter with the Russian military on July 18, just a day after Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was downed by a suspected surface-to-air missile that Ukraine and the West allege was fired by pro-Russia rebels in eastern Ukraine.

The RC-135 Rivet Joint fled into nearby Swedish airspace without that country's permission, a U.S. military official told CNN. The airplane may have gone through other countries' airspace as well, though it's not clear if it had permission to do so.

The U.S. plane had been flying in international airspace, conducting an electronic eavesdropping mission on the Russian military, when the Russians took the unusual action of beginning to track it with land-based radar.

The Russians then sent at least one fighter jet into the sky to intercept the aircraft, the U.S. official said Saturday.

The spy plane crew felt so concerned about the radar tracking that it wanted to get out of the area as quickly as possible, the official said. The quickest route away from the Russians took them into Swedish airspace. The U.S. official acknowledged that was done without Swedish military approval.

As a result of this incident, the United States is discussing the matter with Sweden and letting officials know there may be further occurrences where American jets have to divert so quickly they may not be able to wait for permission.

"We acknowledge a U.S. aircraft veered into Swedish airspace and will take active steps to ensure we have properly communicated with Swedish authorities in advance to prevent similar issues before they arise," the U.S. State Department said.

The incident was first reported by the Swedish media group DN.se. Russian officials did not provide any immediate reaction about the encounter.

This was at least the second potentially-dangerous encounter between a U.S. plane and Russia over the past few months. On April 23, a Russian Su-27 Flanker fighter jet buzzed within 100 feet of the nose of a U.S. Air Force RC-135U reconnaissance plane over the Sea of Okhotsk between Russia and Japan, a Defense Department official said.

Russian fighter jet nearly collided with U.S. military plane in April

Russian and U.S. aircraft often encounter each other, both in Northern Europe as well as the area between the Russian Far East and Alaska. But the official said the land radar activity by the Russians in this instance was unusual.

The ongoing civil unrest in Ukraine and the downing of MH 17 over eastern Ukraine on July 17, which killed all 298 people aboard, have heightened tensions between Washington and Moscow. Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was brought down by a suspected missile.

Pro-Russia rebels have denied allegations from Ukraine and the West that they shot down the Malaysian airliner, or that Russia supplied equipment used to shoot it down.
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Re: Swedish border intruded by foreign power

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US European Command version of overflight of the RC-135W.

www.facebook.com/EUCOM/posts/10152579173828948
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